Posts by rather be in hades

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Was your fade easy or difficult? Let me know ur fade story

by dazed but not confused in

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when i started to fade it was pretty easy for me.

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earthfire: i could be wrong, i haven't been in a hall since i want to say the memorial of maybe 06 or 07. the generation thing as i understand it goes...

1. a generation is made up of people from many age ranges

2. the generation therefore makes up people from all ages alive when those of the 1914 years were alive.

3. this then means that anyone born during the time that the annointed are alive, also make up that generation.

4. so essentially, say you were born in 1900 and baptized in 1914 and died in 1988. anyone born before your death is part of your generation.

i THINK that's how it goes. it's convoluted and moronic so i think i'm on the right track. someone correct me because i'm probably wrong

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Was your fade easy or difficult? Let me know ur fade story

by dazed but not confused in

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when i started to fade it was pretty easy for me.

rather be in hades

botzwana, what inspired you to fade ot of the jehovah's witness organization? (i'm typing out jehovah's witness now bc someone mentioned how it wold increase the page rankings. i'd love for this to be the number one site on google for anyone looking up jehovah's witnesses lol)

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Trying to talk to my mom - really discouraged, need help.

by rather be in hades in

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so, i'm new here and i've decided to finally tell my mom the truth about jws.. and sorry for the long post.

i'm at my wits end.. here's some background:.

i grew p in a congregation in california, i'm not a born in, though i was raised in it from 5 - about 20. arond 20 i pretty mch faded out, bt the emotional ups and downs were jst all too much.

rather be in hades

obviously i didn't talk to my mom this past night. i should have gone out to see the dark knight rises :P i'm not finished with my thoughts and response, but i dunno if i like what i wrote, and i'm drawing a blank as to the right response if my mom says no. i'm thinking of appealing to emotion by saying that this discussion needs to take place, that even though she might not understand why i left, she needs to hear it because it explains why i have been hurting, why i have been depressed, why i tried to kill myself.

maybe i'll even go so far as to say that if she truly loved me, if she truly cared about me, then she'd listen to what i have to say. that i'm not trying to get her out of it at all. i can see that she's happy and who knows, maybe if my questions are answered, i'll go back to it. i'd rather live forever than not, i'd rather spend eternity with my family than without. maybe i can appeal to her emotion in that manner?

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Trying to talk to my mom - really discouraged, need help.

by rather be in hades in

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friends

so, i'm new here and i've decided to finally tell my mom the truth about jws.. and sorry for the long post.

i'm at my wits end.. here's some background:.

i grew p in a congregation in california, i'm not a born in, though i was raised in it from 5 - about 20. arond 20 i pretty mch faded out, bt the emotional ups and downs were jst all too much.

rather be in hades

thanks king solomon.

i'll definitely be looking for nonstamp collector.

i just did

http://www.youtube.com/user/NonStampCollector

if that's not one of the fnniest thing's i've ever seen in my life...i also like the guy who made the bible stories with legos. those are hilarious.

ok so i've been throwing this situation and i'm really starting to think about just hammering 1914/607, 1914/giza (seriously...wtf? the great pyramid? and he's god's mouthpiece), i'll hammer her on the tacoma dome, malawi/mexico/passports and the un situation. i'll work into the conversation something abot harold camping+false predictions+his apparent change after his screw ups and how similar that was to the witnesses in 1914, 1925 and 1975. false prophecies + child molestations (conti, the san diego elder and the jesus cano from bethel incident) and ultimately hayden covington's admission in court that promulgating false prophecy in unity is more important than being right.

maybe i don't have go into minute detail, but i'm really thinking i should at least mention them to whet her appetite to know more. i like the idea of appealing to emotion, humanity, etc.

ok so this is how i'm thinking of broaching this:

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mom, i'm curious, have you ever wondered how xxxxxxxx, yyyyyyyy and myself could all leave? xxxxxxx was well known and highly thought of by so many people all over the district. remember how he was invited to the dominican republic to pioneer for a few months? or how he was giving great pblic talks, was constantly out in field service, etc? heck he even got ME into early morning witnessing seemingly every day of the week. now he's gone, and as you say...an apostate. why? what about yyyyyy, an elder's son, also highly thought of, was making all sorts of advancement, etc...yet now look at him. have you ever wondered why he left? mind you, that year yyyyyy and i both pioneered, i dropped out most of the way through the year, yet he didn't. he went on to pioneer school and now...he's an apostate. why? then there's me. i might not have liked it, but i put my head down and i did the work. think of all those times i woke up early when i didn't have to, in irder to drop you off at work so i could use the car to go early morning witnessing. or all those times that i'd leave you at home on the weekends when i'd take out the car to go out in field service? i sacrificed a lot, i never complained, have you ever wondered why i left? you cannot say i didn't believe. if i didn't believe, i would have left ages ago. if i didn't believe, i would have pt up a huge stinker over after school sports, after school activities, hanging out with the worldly kids and all that. the only reason i stayed so long is because i truly believe and yet i left. for a believer to leave, that is tantamount to saying that everlasting nothingness is better than staying. does that make sense to you that the three of us wold go this route?

//chances are she might say no. if she were to say yes, i'd have an INCREDIBLY easy opening as to going over the scandals i mentioned above.

//if she says no, then i'll respond in this manner:

i faithfully believed and i faithfully preached. i admit that i wasn't happy as a witness, but i believed so emphatically, that i continued going out in service faithfully preaching.

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what is the dumbest thing you've been reproved/chided/df'd for?

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i'm a big science nerd and i remember when we were going over the creator book, that the big bang doesn't necessarily prove there is no god.. i said this comment during book study and the conductor's jaw dropped.

everyone was pretty uncomfortable and it didn't help that he ct me off as i was explaining the red shift and mom wasn't too happy about all that.

i had to do a lot of bible research and write some nonsense about how the big bang was not reality or some sort...ugh.. .

rather be in hades

lol that's just an amazing story. definitely tops mine...being reproved for something you did...in someone else's dream.

god's holy spirit was moving to and fro wasn't it?

come to think of it, you were giving a lap dance. you wouldn't happen to be of the annointed and inspired by holy spirit would you?

some christians would say that if you are of the annointed and inspired by holy spirit, then genesis was fulfilled in that dream...

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New here

by konceptual99 in

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i am new here, been lurking for a while but felt compeled to join as i would like to comment on more and more of the topics i come across.

by way of an introduction here is some info about me.. i am an active jw, married with a family, living in the uk.

i serve as a ms and have done for many years.

rather be in hades

i want to point out that kids are remarkably good at hiding the truth from their parents. i think most of us could attest to that.

if you want an honest open relationship with your kids, at the very least you need to find some way of letting them be normal kids and being honest about what you know. of course you have to use yor discretion as to how you break the news with them. i dnno them lol, but i think you;ll make the right decision. whether it's a gentle fade, or abrupt like ripping off a bandaid, think it over, take some time.

the isolation that comes with being a jw is a big issue. i think if you go over some of the stories of people leaving, especially those born or raised as jehovah's witnesses, then yo'll see a lot of pain as they come out as young adults with little to no clue how to handle the outside world after having been sheltered for so long. the teenage years - mid 20s seem to be an awful hard time to deal with leaving. it certainly was for me.

if you do a slow fade, i wold suggest encouraging them to do after school stuff and to make friends at school. get them involved now.

hope all is well

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what is the dumbest thing you've been reproved/chided/df'd for?

by rather be in hades in

i'm a big science nerd and i remember when we were going over the creator book, that the big bang doesn't necessarily prove there is no god.. i said this comment during book study and the conductor's jaw dropped.

everyone was pretty uncomfortable and it didn't help that he ct me off as i was explaining the red shift and mom wasn't too happy about all that.

i had to do a lot of bible research and write some nonsense about how the big bang was not reality or some sort...ugh.. .

rather be in hades

well rocky i would have to ask you this:

in your friend's dream, did you do everything in your power NOT to get drnk and give the lap dance? as we all have learned from the mosaic law and from dinah...it's all the woman's fault if sexual misconduct goes down. did you scream?

then i'd have to ask, did the elders who questioned you question the man you gave the lap dance to? did they really have two witnesses? or at least your friend and another witness to testify against you?

now i'm confused lol

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what is the dumbest thing you've been reproved/chided/df'd for?

by rather be in hades in

i'm a big science nerd and i remember when we were going over the creator book, that the big bang doesn't necessarily prove there is no god.. i said this comment during book study and the conductor's jaw dropped.

everyone was pretty uncomfortable and it didn't help that he ct me off as i was explaining the red shift and mom wasn't too happy about all that.

i had to do a lot of bible research and write some nonsense about how the big bang was not reality or some sort...ugh.. .

rather be in hades

lol botzwana. you're lucky you didn't get df'd ;)

i can't imagine what the elders would have said when i bought my mr2. that's NOT a service worthy car by any stretch of the imagination.

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what is the dumbest thing you've been reproved/chided/df'd for?

by rather be in hades in

i'm a big science nerd and i remember when we were going over the creator book, that the big bang doesn't necessarily prove there is no god.. i said this comment during book study and the conductor's jaw dropped.

everyone was pretty uncomfortable and it didn't help that he ct me off as i was explaining the red shift and mom wasn't too happy about all that.

i had to do a lot of bible research and write some nonsense about how the big bang was not reality or some sort...ugh.. .

rather be in hades

i don't know about now, but back then when we did go over the creator book, i'd say emphatically no, jws did NOT believe in the big bang and it REALLY put a damper on that book study lesson. i didn't comment for weeks after that and by then we had passed through the cool part of the book...the part that addressed science directly.

at the time, i would have put myself in that category of science-y witnesses. i believed god started the big bang. i also believed in evoltion...to a degree. i believed in adaptation but in another thread, i mentioned that it's something i basically swept under the rug and never really thought about it too deeply because then my head would hurt ;)

cognitive dissonance is a strange thing. it really does allow you to believe to opposing things. on the one hand, you can believe that the governing body is a fallible group of men that are not inspired by god, yet you can believe that despite the numerous false prophecies they've published until the light magically got brighter.

the brainwashing is real and it's incredible how good they do it. my nature is to question everything. when i read up on political news, or a textbook, it's not enough for me to simply accept what is said, i like to know the background information on the subject to prove the assertion to myself. now it's possible this is a reaction to being duped my entire my life. yet, i NEVER questioned the witnesses. on the surface, everything seemed logical and i remember being shown in the encyclopedia when i was about 6, that christmas was pagan. coupled with the 'we don't lie and we're nothing like anyone else in the world' mantra, i simply believed without question what they had to say because...lying is a sin and that's not what jehovah likes. therefore if these dudes are lying then they're not making it into heaven/paradise and they know this so there's no way they wold lie right?

the logic is mind boggling and logic should never be mind boggling unless you have some incredible weed.

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what is the dumbest thing you've been reproved/chided/df'd for?

by rather be in hades in

i'm a big science nerd and i remember when we were going over the creator book, that the big bang doesn't necessarily prove there is no god.. i said this comment during book study and the conductor's jaw dropped.

everyone was pretty uncomfortable and it didn't help that he ct me off as i was explaining the red shift and mom wasn't too happy about all that.

i had to do a lot of bible research and write some nonsense about how the big bang was not reality or some sort...ugh.. .

rather be in hades

i'm a big science nerd and i remember when we were going over the creator book, that the big bang doesn't necessarily prove there is no god.

i said this comment during book study and the conductor's jaw dropped. everyone was pretty uncomfortable and it didn't help that he ct me off as i was explaining the red shift and mom wasn't too happy about all that. i had to do a lot of bible research and write some nonsense about how the big bang was not reality or some sort...ugh.

any other intersting experiences?